Fleur-de- not a lobster part 2

[alysten]

Ok, so I think I have something that will work better.  It is in the English style, in pairs of threes, not marshaling.



Because I can see how that design could become "fleur-de-something...".

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[lumineaux.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'll go with a third on the ewwwww. The black and semy de lys is so much prettier and oh so period.

One thought - how does it avoid the appearance of marshalling? Consider the EK Return of Culann mac Cianain's device here: http://ech.eastkingdom.org/ILoIs/2007-03/2007-03-LoD.html

I would recommend putting a charge overall - a bend argent semy de lys gules, perhaps?

[math5.livejournal.com]

In this specific case we're OK because sable, with nothing on it, doesn't appear to be anybody's arms.
If it was charged with something other than fleur de lys then it would have the appearance of marshaling.

[alysten.livejournal.com]

Can some one explain "marshaling?"

[math5.livejournal.com]

marshalling is putting together the arms of several people on the same device.
You can see some visual example there: http://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/heraldry/marshalling.html
Example of construction there: http://armorialblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/marshallingtable.jpg
Or, for an extreme example http://www.bloodinbloodout.nl/img/system009.gif
It's not allowed because it appears to be a claim (I'm the progeny of so and so)

[aryll.livejournal.com]

A plain sable field can't be anyone's arms, SCA doesn't register plain fields.

[math5.livejournal.com]

Except for vert: this would be the flag of Lybia.

[aryll.livejournal.com]

Oh, true, forgot about them. Ermine too, it's Brittany's. Ok, we don't register plain fields for us. Mundanes get to cheat. :p

[math5.livejournal.com]

You're right about Brittany.
And the mundanes don't even ask us what we think! :)

[alysten.livejournal.com]

Bruni pointed me to this "Consider that http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Laurel/2009-02/CL-AE113-Artan.jpg
if a section of quadrant is field only it's not marshaling (I'm never sure I fully understand the rules about marshaling so I tend to be excessively cautious)"

[alysten.livejournal.com]

Does that mean, the four quadrants and a bend?

[aryll.livejournal.com]

Aren't the boars in that example on the chequy quadrants? If so, how does that appear to marshal "Sable, a boar passant contourny argent" with the chequy? AFAIK, no marshaling system would transfer primary charges from one device to the other in the course of marshaling.

[math5.livejournal.com]

The boars are on the sable quadrants.
The submitted device can be seen here: http://ech.eastkingdom.org/ILoIs/2007-03/culannC.gif

[aryll.livejournal.com]

"Quarterly sable and chequy argent and azure, in bend sinister two boars passant contourny."

I'd say the blazon doesn't match the emblazon then. Boars in bend sinister should be on the second and third quadrants.

[math5.livejournal.com]

It likely wasn't corrected because the device was returned anyway.