Fleur-de- not a lobster part 2

[alysten]

Ok, so I think I have something that will work better.  It is in the English style, in pairs of threes, not marshaling.



Because I can see how that design could become "fleur-de-something...".

Comments

[ianraven.livejournal.com]

I was toying with a more specific cant:



Lozengey gules and argent, on a fess argent a fleur de lys gules within an orle of bay leaves proper.

Who knows if it would pass, I just make this stuff up. Bay leaves. Table cloth. Hee hee hee hee hee hee.

[ianraven.livejournal.com]

Whooooo... bedtime for Ian.

OMG!

[alysten.livejournal.com]

That is right up there with freaking fantastic!!!!!

[aryll.livejournal.com]

I love you guys giving me all the practice. ;)

I have no clue if it would pass, but it looks clear of conflicts, only lozengy field with an argent fess is totally different, search for "orle" gets no hits with an argent fess primary, one hit for "a fleur", totally different. Nothing in-depth, but at first glance you'd be fine.

[math5.livejournal.com]

Ewwww.....

[ianraven.livejournal.com]

At least it's relatively free of conflicts! Admitedly, I didn't spend that much time on it... I'm still trying for abetted visual cant of "a pot". :)

[alysten.livejournal.com]

I kinda like the bay leaves circling the "not a lobster".

[oaken-glen.livejournal.com]

o.O

Agreed.

[lumineaux.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'll go with a third on the ewwwww. The black and semy de lys is so much prettier and oh so period.

One thought - how does it avoid the appearance of marshalling? Consider the EK Return of Culann mac Cianain's device here: http://ech.eastkingdom.org/ILoIs/2007-03/2007-03-LoD.html

I would recommend putting a charge overall - a bend argent semy de lys gules, perhaps?

[math5.livejournal.com]

In this specific case we're OK because sable, with nothing on it, doesn't appear to be anybody's arms.
If it was charged with something other than fleur de lys then it would have the appearance of marshaling.

[alysten.livejournal.com]

Can some one explain "marshaling?"

[math5.livejournal.com]

marshalling is putting together the arms of several people on the same device.
You can see some visual example there: http://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/heraldry/marshalling.html
Example of construction there: http://armorialblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/marshallingtable.jpg
Or, for an extreme example http://www.bloodinbloodout.nl/img/system009.gif
It's not allowed because it appears to be a claim (I'm the progeny of so and so)

[aryll.livejournal.com]

A plain sable field can't be anyone's arms, SCA doesn't register plain fields.

[math5.livejournal.com]

Except for vert: this would be the flag of Lybia.

[aryll.livejournal.com]

Oh, true, forgot about them. Ermine too, it's Brittany's. Ok, we don't register plain fields for us. Mundanes get to cheat. :p

[math5.livejournal.com]

You're right about Brittany.
And the mundanes don't even ask us what we think! :)

[alysten.livejournal.com]

Bruni pointed me to this "Consider that http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Laurel/2009-02/CL-AE113-Artan.jpg
if a section of quadrant is field only it's not marshaling (I'm never sure I fully understand the rules about marshaling so I tend to be excessively cautious)"

[alysten.livejournal.com]

Does that mean, the four quadrants and a bend?

[aryll.livejournal.com]

Aren't the boars in that example on the chequy quadrants? If so, how does that appear to marshal "Sable, a boar passant contourny argent" with the chequy? AFAIK, no marshaling system would transfer primary charges from one device to the other in the course of marshaling.

[math5.livejournal.com]

The boars are on the sable quadrants.
The submitted device can be seen here: http://ech.eastkingdom.org/ILoIs/2007-03/culannC.gif

[aryll.livejournal.com]

"Quarterly sable and chequy argent and azure, in bend sinister two boars passant contourny."

I'd say the blazon doesn't match the emblazon then. Boars in bend sinister should be on the second and third quadrants.

[math5.livejournal.com]

It likely wasn't corrected because the device was returned anyway.

[etherial.livejournal.com]

Bay Laurel leaves? Not gonna pass unless she becomes a Barony.

[alysten.livejournal.com]

and if I become a barony... we got other issues.

[aryll.livejournal.com]

How would that be blazoned? Quarterly sable and argent, in bend sinister two groups of three fleurs-de-lys gules strikes me as wrong, but that's my first thought. Unless it's just "in bend sinister six fleurs-de-lys gules", but that would seem to arrange them all in a straight line. Hmm, I'll have to see if I can look it up.

Seems clear of conflicts as far as I can tell.

[lumineaux.livejournal.com]

Quarterly sable and argent semy de lys gules.

[aryll.livejournal.com]

Oh, of course. I guess not having partials around the edges and only being three in a group didn't trip my semy detector.

[ianraven.livejournal.com]

I'd have the same not-trip on the seme-sensor. Something I just read backs that up... a seme needs to have charges that are clearly cut off by the edge of the shield. Let me see if I can find that in my browser history... for now I cannot.

[math5.livejournal.com]

Hmm, nope.
Semy doesn't have to be cut. It's century & place dependent.
My personal preference goes to semy that fits the strewn charge wherever possible, adjusting to other stuff on the field, but that's personal preference.